Recalls
| Campaign | Manufacturer | Manufacturing date | Type | # of units affected | Date Owner notified Mfg | Recall Initiated by | Manufacturers of recalled vehicles/products | Report Recieved Date | Record Creation Date | Regulation Part Number | FMVSS Number | |||||
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| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - COOLING SYSTEM - FAN | ||||||||||||||||
| 01V206000 | BAYERISCHE MOTOREN WERKE | from 12/18/2000 to 09/05/2001 | V (Vehicle) | 76469 | 09/28/2001 | MFR | BAYERISCHE MOTOREN WERKE | 06/21/2001 | 07/02/2001 | |||||||
| Defect Summary | Vehicle description: passenger vehicles. the engine auxiliary/cooling fan operation, including variable speed, is electronically controlled. failure of the fan motor can cause the electrical circuitry of the fan control unit to overload and fail, causing the fan to stop operating. | |||||||||||||||
| Consequence Summary | If this were to occur, engine overheating and subsequent engine damage could result. in addition, it is possible for the failure of the electrical circuitry to cause a fire in the fan control unit located in the front of the engine compartment. | |||||||||||||||
| Corrective Summary | Dealers will replace the fan. owner notification began september 28, 2001. owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact bmw at 1-800-831-1117. | |||||||||||||||
| Notes | Also contact the national highway traffic safety administration's auto safety hotline at 1-888-dash-2-dot (1-888-327-4236). | |||||||||||||||
| 02V138000 | BAYERISCHE MOTOREN WERKE | V (Vehicle) | 1550 | MFR | BAYERISCHE MOTOREN WERKE | 05/16/2002 | 05/20/2002 | |||||||||
| Defect Summary | On certain passenger vehicles, the engine auxiliary/cooling fan operation, including variable speed, is electronically controlled. failure of the fan motor can cause the electrical circuitry of the fan control unit to overload and fail, causing the fan to stop operating. | |||||||||||||||
| Consequence Summary | If this were to occur, engine overheating and subsequent engine damage could result. in addition, it is possible for the failure of the electrical circuitry to cause a fire in the fan control unit located in the front of the engine compartment. | |||||||||||||||
| Corrective Summary | Dealers will replace the fan. owner notification began september 28, 2001. this is a supplement to a recall that began during september 2001 (see recall campaign 01v206). owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact bmw at 1-800-831-1117. | |||||||||||||||
| Notes | Also contact the national highway traffic safety administration's auto safety hotline at 1-888-dash-2-dot (1-888-327-4236). | |||||||||||||||
Bulletins
| Bulletin | Bulletin date | Replacement Bulletin | Item no. | Summary | Added |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - COOLING SYSTEM - FAN | |||||
| SIB-12-09-08 | 02/01/2008 | 10032781 | Bmw vehicle: driveability complaints due to cooling fan relay failure. the customer may complain of intermittent driveability problems, described as-engine is lacking power when accelerating uphill; transmission will not upshift under hea | 05/21/2010 | |
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - ENGINE | |||||
| SIB-12-15-11 | 07/01/2011 | 10040852 | Bmw: the service engine soon light is on. there are trouble codes stored for the crankshaft sensor. no driveability issues. *rm | 09/13/2011 | |
| SIB-12-15-11 | 07/01/2011 | 10040852 | Ready | 09/13/2011 | |
| SIB-11-08-03 | 07/01/2010 | 10037010 | Bmw: six different models equipped with the m54 engine could have valve covers break in cold weather and ruin the engine. this is due to moisture accumulation. *rm | 04/27/2011 | |
| SIB-11-08-03 | 07/01/2010 | 10037010 | Ready | 04/27/2011 | |
| SIB-13-07-10 | 06/01/2010 | 10036982 | Ready | 04/25/2011 | |
| SIB-13-06-10 | 06/01/2010 | 10036985 | Ready | 04/25/2011 | |
| SIB-13-06-10 | 06/01/2010 | 10036985 | Bmw: a service engine soon light comes on. the engine will only operate to 1500 rpms and lacks power. there is a software application error. *rm | 04/25/2011 | |
| SIB-13-07-10 | 06/01/2010 | 10036982 | Bmw: there is a rough engine idle and service engine soon light when driving downhill in high altitudes during cold weather. there may be six different fault codes. *rm | 04/25/2011 | |
| SIB-12-23-07 | 11/01/2007 | 10032813 | Bmw vehicle: fc 2ef4 characteristic map thermostat. complaints that the service engine soon lamp is illuminated. fault code 2ef4 characteristic map thermostat is stored in dme fault memory. dme software calibration related to high heatin | 05/26/2010 | |
| SI-B-11-01-07 | 03/01/2009 | 10029025 | Bmw: small number of vehicles experience problems ranging from leaking oil filler caps, leaking or broken valve covers, to complete engine failure in extremely cold climate conditions. moisture accumulating in engine crankcase ventilation v | 06/12/2009 | |
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - ENGINE - DIESEL | |||||
| SIB-16-03-10 | 06/01/2010 | 10036981 | Ready | 04/25/2011 | |
| SIB-16-03-10 | 06/01/2010 | 10036981 | Bmw: warning message on about low diesel exhaust fuel level and that the engine will not restart within 999 miles. the light comes on a few thousand miles earlier than a recommended oil change. *rm | 04/25/2011 | |
| SIB-13-02-09 | 10/01/2009 | 10032642 | Bmw vehicles: diagnosis for low pressure fuel supply faults. the service engine soon lamp is illuminated (a fuel pump malfuction message is displayed in the cc), and a combination of the following fault codes may be stored in the dde cont | 04/21/2010 | |
| SI-B-11-01-07 | 03/01/2009 | 10029025 | Bmw: small number of vehicles experience problems ranging from leaking oil filler caps, leaking or broken valve covers, to complete engine failure in extremely cold climate conditions. moisture accumulating in engine crankcase ventilation v | 06/12/2009 | |
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - ENGINE - GASOLINE | |||||
| SIB120302 | 05/01/2002 | 633437 | Subject regarding dme reprogramming for check engine light. *tt | 09/23/2002 | |
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - EXHAUST SYSTEM - EMISSION CONTROL - CRANKCASE (PCV) | |||||
| SI-B-11-01-07 | 03/01/2009 | 10029025 | Bmw: small number of vehicles experience problems ranging from leaking oil filler caps, leaking or broken valve covers, to complete engine failure in extremely cold climate conditions. moisture accumulating in engine crankcase ventilation v | 06/12/2009 | |
Consumer Complaints
| Fail date | miles | occurences | Purchase date |
|---|---|---|---|
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING | |||
| 03/08/2012 | 108177 | ||
| Tl-the contact owns a 2001 bmw x5. the contact stated that the vehicle was parked and the engine was running when he noticed that the auxiliary fan was not functioning. the contact changed the fuse for the fan and the fuse caught on fire. the vehicle was then taken to an authorized dealer where the contact was informed that the vehicle was not included in nhtsa campaign id numbers: 01v206000 (engine and engine cooling:cooling system:fan) or 02v138000 (engine and engine cooling:cooling system:fan). the vehicle was not repaired. the manufacturer was made aware of the failure and also stated that the vehicle was not included in the recalls. the failure mileage was 108,177. kmj | |||
| 03/08/2012 | 108177 | ||
| Tl-the contact owns a 2001 bmw x5. the contact stated that the vehicle was parked and the engine was running when he noticed that the auxiliary fan was not functioning. the contact changed the fuse for the fan and the fuse caught on fire. the vehicle was then taken to an authorized dealer and the contact was informed that the vehicle was not included in the recalls associated with nhtsa campaign id numbers 01v206000 (engine and engine cooling:cooling system:fan) or 02v138000 (engine and engine cooling:cooling system:fan). the vehicle was not repaired. the manufacturer was made aware of the failure and also stated that the vehicle was not included in the recalls. the failure mileage was 108,177. sm. | |||
| 09/01/2009 | 86000 | ||
| Tl-the contact owns a 2001 bmw x5. the contact stated that while when starting his vehicle the oil seperator has fractured and is causing oil to spread to all components under the hood. he noticed smoke coming from under the hood, but it did not ignite. this occurred in cold weather. the vehicle had to be towed to a independent mechanic who informed him that he needed to replace the oil seperator, the valve cover gasket, and the valve cover. the vehicle was repaired for the oil seperator, the valve cover gasket and the valve cover. they also installed a crank case ventilation blanket in order to keep it warm. the failure mileage was approximately 86,000. the vin was unavailable. tb | |||
| 01/08/2009 | 94500 | ||
| Tl*the contact owns a 2001 bmw x5. while driving 55 mph in six degree weather, the vehicle suddenly began to lose power and the speed decreased. the contact pulled the vehicle over and noticed a lot of smoke coming out of the tail pipe. the vehicle was towed to the dealer and they stated that the failure was caused by an oil valve separator issue. the mechanic explained that the engine froze and shot out all of the oil from the vehicle. the contact attempted to have the failure covered by her aftermarket warranty, but they refused because it was not an internal engine failure; therefore, the manufacturer would have to assume responsibility. the dealer stated that they would replace the oil valve separator. the vehicle has not been repaired. through research, she learned that numerous people with the same vehicle have experienced the failure and, after the repair is performed, the failure persists. she believes that this is a manufacturer defect. the current and failure mileages were 94,500. | |||
| 01/12/2009 | 10000 | 1 | |
| Bmw - vent valve the vehicle is obviously engineered wrong and the company should be liable. the dealership told me it would cost $1,000 to replace and cleanup a frozen vent valve due to condensation from moisture. the extreme weather where i live cause the condensation to freeze causing oil to backup and blow the engine. *tr | |||
| 12/04/2008 | 58000 | ||
| Tl*the contact owns a 2001 bmw x5. while driving 5 mph, the contact noticed smoke coming from the passenger side front tire. the passenger compartment filled with smoke. she drove to a gas station and observed all of the warning indicators beginning to illuminate on the instrument panel. the vehicle was shut off and towed to a local repair shop. a few days later, the mechanic stated that the thermostat control melted, which caused the copper housing unit to melt and rest over the fuel system of the engine. the manufacturer stated that they would investigate the failure. the dealer has not been notified. the vehicle has been repaired. the contact kept the defective parts and has supporting documentation. the current and failure mileages were 58,000. | |||
| 01/02/2008 | 88000 | 5 | 08/01/2007 |
| My 2001 bmw x5 has serios issues with its design that bmw corp refuses to acknowledge or fix. 1st there is a faulty design on the pvc causing the valve to freeze and drain the oil into the engine. this almost caused a fire in my car. and cost me about $1200 to fix. 2nd there is a design flaw with the front doors whereby the either freeze shut or refuse to lock in temperatures below 17f. this is a hazard waiting to happen. please help us ( consumers) since bmw apparently has no interest in adressing these issues.*cn | |||
| 08/21/2007 | 63000 | 1 | 03/15/2001 |
| Bmw x5 3.0l 2001 1) car lost power on the freeway requiring an emergency stop. very dangerous situation but no one was injured. 2) a hole in the plastic cooling system caused the coolant to eject. the engine overheated causing total loss of engine. there were no audible or visible warnings. apparently this vehicle does not have a coolant sensor and the engine temperature gauge can malfunction if the coolant has all leaked out. 3) entire engine replacement at 63,000 miles (out of warranty). car has had all bmw recommended maintenance service. *tr | |||
| 03/04/2005 | 113744 | 8 | 09/30/2000 |
| I purchased my 2001 bmw x5, new in sept of 2000. i began having problems with it pretty quickly. the most plauging problem was the gas gauge. it took bmw 5 times to finally fix it. 2/26/01 14461 milage, 3/9/01 14512 milage, 5/16/01 18566 miles, 8/29/01 24493 miles, and finally 2/26/02 37268 miles. there were a number of other issues with the car, water pump, lower contro arm (twice), and various other non-essential items. i tried to enact the lemon law, but since the 3rd time on the fuel gauge was at 18500 miles, i was told it didn't apply. now after 4 and a half years, i have 114,000 miles on the car and i was just told that the motor is shot and will have to be replaced at a cost of $11,500. i can't sink that kind of money into a car with that many miles but i can't sell it with a bad motor and i can't make payments on two cars. this car has been one problem after another and bmw has refuesed help me. the only offer they made was to give me $5000.00 off on a new car when i hired a lawyer to try to enact the lemon law, but with the milage i had on the car already i still would have owed them money on the trade-in. there hasn't been one incident. it's just been one thing after another since i bought the car. i have paid bmw over $3600.00 for service and repairs not covered by warranty since i bought the vehicle. now it's going to cost me over $11,000 more to get the car running again. i have all the service records and have always pampered the car. i only used the best gas, never missed any scheduled services. i can't believe bmw is not standing behind their products better than this.*ak | |||
| 01/24/2005 | 2 | ||
| The consumer experienced sudden stalling at various speeds while on the road. the vehicle was taken to the shop, however the cause was undetermined. *jb | |||
| 02/11/2004 | 1 | ||
| Vehicle was parked, consumer started up the vehicle, and it did not not move. consumer had vehicle towed to the dealer for inspection, and mechanic placed the vehicle on the diagnostic machine. mechanic could not resolve the problem. *ak | |||
| 09/05/2000 | 1 | 06/07/2000 | |
| Consumer states a problem existed where the vehcle would suddenly cut off when in a turn and when first starting. the fan blower motor and the coolant thermostat had to be replaced to correct improper heater operation. *tt | |||
| 09/23/2001 | |||
| Consumer had just gotten out of vehicle when front end was smoking/sparks flying, and ashes coming from engine. dealer diagnosed auxillary fan as the cause. vehicle was part of recall 01v20600, but consumer did not receive a notice. *ak | |||
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - COOLING SYSTEM | |||
| 01/20/2009 | 109000 | 1 | |
| On cold day, '01 bmw x5 3.0, started, briefly warmed and driven 8 miles b/f engine quits and will not restart. no warning lights, nor overheating involved. mechanic indicates engine completely seized due to oil separator freezing from residual condensation in air as well as crankcase resulting in oil forced into cylinders, choking motor, and cracking connecting rods. engine has now failed requiring a new or used motor - estimated at $7,500 replacement (not to mention significantly lowering resale value since new motor will not match vin). vehicle has been meticulously maintained beyond manufacturers recommended intervals (eg: oil change every 3k miles with bmw spec'd oil and filters). this is a very common problem with bmw, particularly the x5 - oil separator in subsequent years was redesigned to address issue. no warning from dealership who maintained car until 2 years ago. this is a well documented problem that has now caused catastrophic engine failure and could very well cause catastrophic injury or death of vehicle occupants if engine fails on highway, rather than on a neighborhood road driving @ 5 mph.. bmw should have made a recall on this part before this issue started occurring with regular frequency to anyone living in a cold climate. old parts and motor are still available - at least for the current time. will need to be disposed as a core charge in near future once new engine can be located. *tr | |||
| 06/08/2008 | 87000 | ||
| Tl*the contact owns a 2001 bmw x5. while driving between 55-60 mph, the vehicle began to overheat and smoke, and the engine failed. the vehicle had to be towed. the dealer stated that the vin was not included in nhtsa campaign id numbers 01v206000 and 02v138000 (engine and engine cooling: cooling system:fan). the current and failure mileages were 87,000. | |||
| 03/04/2005 | 113744 | 8 | 09/30/2000 |
| I purchased my 2001 bmw x5, new in sept of 2000. i began having problems with it pretty quickly. the most plauging problem was the gas gauge. it took bmw 5 times to finally fix it. 2/26/01 14461 milage, 3/9/01 14512 milage, 5/16/01 18566 miles, 8/29/01 24493 miles, and finally 2/26/02 37268 miles. there were a number of other issues with the car, water pump, lower contro arm (twice), and various other non-essential items. i tried to enact the lemon law, but since the 3rd time on the fuel gauge was at 18500 miles, i was told it didn't apply. now after 4 and a half years, i have 114,000 miles on the car and i was just told that the motor is shot and will have to be replaced at a cost of $11,500. i can't sink that kind of money into a car with that many miles but i can't sell it with a bad motor and i can't make payments on two cars. this car has been one problem after another and bmw has refuesed help me. the only offer they made was to give me $5000.00 off on a new car when i hired a lawyer to try to enact the lemon law, but with the milage i had on the car already i still would have owed them money on the trade-in. there hasn't been one incident. it's just been one thing after another since i bought the car. i have paid bmw over $3600.00 for service and repairs not covered by warranty since i bought the vehicle. now it's going to cost me over $11,000 more to get the car running again. i have all the service records and have always pampered the car. i only used the best gas, never missed any scheduled services. i can't believe bmw is not standing behind their products better than this.*ak | |||
| 02/09/2004 | |||
| 2001 and later bmw x5's have a known problem with the oil separator freezing in very cold weather, causing the engine to sieze suddenly. this is a majoir issue bmw needs to recall!!! | |||
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - COOLING SYSTEM - FAN | |||
| 07/15/2007 | 88000 | ||
| Tl*the contact owns a 2001 bmw x5. the contact was driving approximately 35 mph on normal road conditions with the air conditioning system in activation. the air conditioning system began to circulate warm air. immediately, the air conditioning system was deactivated. the vehicle was taken to an authorized dealer for inspection. the failure was contributed to the cooling fan. there were two recalls under the nhtsa campaign id number 02v138000 and 01v206000 (engine and engine cooling:cooling system:fan). the vin was excluded from the safety recall. the vehicle has not been repaired at this time. the failure mileage was 88,000. the vin was unavailable. | |||
| 06/15/2002 | 1 | ||
| The cooling fan began turning on and blow at maximum power by itself. this happened several times. i was not until we talked with a another person who also experienced the same problem, that we found it there was a recall by bmw. we took our vehicle to the dealer (in buena park,ca) and was told that we had to pay for repairs because we waited to long to bring the vehicle in! remember - neither savage bmw nor bmw north america notified us about the defect! so we had to pay for the repairs out of pocket and the dealer refused to reimburse us. *nm | |||
| 08/01/2001 | |||
| Recall on engine cooling fan was done. vehicle has been taken back to dealer 4 times because of stalling and smoking. dealer unable to remedy the problem. please provide additional information.*ak | |||
| 09/08/2001 | |||
| Recall 01 v 206 003/engine auxiliary cooling fan: unable to get dealer ; global import; atlanta, ga; phone# 770/951-9382 to honor recall, parts were unavailble. feel free to provide any further information. *ak | |||
| 09/23/2001 | |||
| Consumer had just gotten out of vehicle when front end was smoking/sparks flying, and ashes coming from engine. dealer diagnosed auxillary fan as the cause. vehicle was part of recall 01v20600, but consumer did not receive a notice. *ak | |||
| 07/01/2001 | 1 | 06/01/2001 | |
| My aux fan is not part of bmw's current recall due to fires however, i do have the bad fan and it is schedlued to be replaced as soon as they can get a part. my concern is that bmw has not expanded the recall to include all vehicles with the bad fan that starts fires under the hood.*ak | |||
| 06/27/2001 | 1 | ||
| Cooling fan comes on and off when engine gets to a certain temperature. also, if temperature gets too hot vehicle can catch on fire. contacted dealer and dealer stated fan was defective, but did not have switch to replace. *ak *jb | |||
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - COOLING SYSTEM - RADIATOR ASSEMBLY | |||
| 12/02/2004 | 26780 | 4 | 10/01/2000 |
| Bmw x-5 coolant system failure with only 26,800 miles. the coolant reservoir and tubes to the radiator burned out. also 3 power window regulators malfunctioned. at this moment fixed but unacceptable for the cost and engineering of the car. all parts were replaced and supposedly new. did not see new or old parts. *jb | |||
| 11/19/2004 | 38600 | 1 | 09/09/2004 |
| Normal driving, radiator reservoir cracked during normal driving, leaking very hot radiator fluid, causing smoking, stopped vehicle, and had it towed. *ak | |||
| 04/16/2001 | 1 | ||
| Coolant level warning light came on due to coolant leaking from the thermostat. *yh | |||
| 07/08/2001 | |||
| Radiator fan had shorted out and caught on fire while driving 60mph. after stopping, had noticed smoke. electrical wires to radiator fan had melted. vehicle towed to dealership. mechanic indicated to owner a technical service bulletin was listed for vehicle.*ak | |||
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - ENGINE | |||
| 01/20/2009 | 109000 | 1 | |
| On cold day, '01 bmw x5 3.0, started, briefly warmed and driven 8 miles b/f engine quits and will not restart. no warning lights, nor overheating involved. mechanic indicates engine completely seized due to oil separator freezing from residual condensation in air as well as crankcase resulting in oil forced into cylinders, choking motor, and cracking connecting rods. engine has now failed requiring a new or used motor - estimated at $7,500 replacement (not to mention significantly lowering resale value since new motor will not match vin). vehicle has been meticulously maintained beyond manufacturers recommended intervals (eg: oil change every 3k miles with bmw spec'd oil and filters). this is a very common problem with bmw, particularly the x5 - oil separator in subsequent years was redesigned to address issue. no warning from dealership who maintained car until 2 years ago. this is a well documented problem that has now caused catastrophic engine failure and could very well cause catastrophic injury or death of vehicle occupants if engine fails on highway, rather than on a neighborhood road driving @ 5 mph.. bmw should have made a recall on this part before this issue started occurring with regular frequency to anyone living in a cold climate. old parts and motor are still available - at least for the current time. will need to be disposed as a core charge in near future once new engine can be located. *tr | |||
| 01/02/2008 | 106000 | 1 | 12/24/2005 |
| I have a 2001 bmw x-5. on a cold day in january of this year i left work and drove approximately 25 miles when my yellow check oil light came on. i could smell oil and noticed that my vehicle was smoking out the exhaust pipe. i went to the nearest service station and turned off my vehicle to check the oil. when i pulled out the dip stick, oil shot out of the hole and sprayed all over the interior of my hood, on my face and all over my clothing. the oil crankcase had become pressurized and was forcing the oil out the engine, through the rings and valve covers. after wiping off my face, hands and clothing the best i could, i added three quarts of oil to return the level to acceptable conditions. repairs needed to get new gaskets and oil separator, pcv valve, dip stick guide tube and hoses. these repairs cost $1690. later i understood that bmw was aware of this problem and had issued a service information bulletin # si b 11 08 03 to its service department. i also heard that more than 100 similar events occurred in minneapolis during the first cold spell of this season. bmw should have informed owners of bmw of the need to replace pcv valves if required to both prevent potential damage to cars and drivers who like myself responded to the situation and ended up being sprayed by warm engine oil. a potential fire hazard existed with oil being forced from my crankcase into the engine compartment. *tr | |||
| 05/10/2004 | 2 | ||
| While driving 10 mph, the vehicle stalled. the driver tried to restart but was unable to start. the driver noticed that the check engine light flashed on then off. the driver had the vehicle towed to the dealer for inspection. the mechanic informed the driver that the engine needed replacing due to head gasket failure. please provide further details. *jb | |||
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - ENGINE - GASOLINE | |||
| 07/17/2004 | 57000 | 08/14/2003 | |
| Fuel tank leaking. took to dealership. needed fuel tank and lines replaced. over $4,000 in repairs for a 2001? asked about recall on fuel tanks tsb 165200.. said does not pertain to my vehicle. whatever?*ak | |||
| 08/19/2001 | 1 | ||
| Consumer stated that the vehicle shuts off intermittently while making turns. *yh | |||
| 08/16/2002 | 1 | ||
| Consumer states while in reverse the vehicle unexpectantly accelerated and resulting into a vehicle collision. dealer has been notifed . vehicle was also inspected by the dealer on several occasion prior to this incident. feel free to provide any further information. | |||
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - EXHAUST SYSTEM - EMISSION CONTROL - CRANKCASE (PCV) | |||
| 01/31/2004 | 56700 | 1 | 09/05/2002 |
| 2001 bmw x5 4.4i v8 engine has a defective oil separator. this device is designed to release internal engine pressure. in cold climates the unit freeze's up and does not release pressure. the result is the engine oil comes out the top side engine oil cap and/or the dipstick. this causes a very high potential fire risk as well as a complete engine sieze condition from loss of oil. when this happened to me the outside temperature was -14 f and if my freind did not have his vehicle close by, my family wouild have froze.*ak | |||