Bulletins
| Bulletin | Bulletin date | Replacement Bulletin | Item no. | Summary | Added |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING | |||||
| 205 | 02/16/2005 | 10015300 | Dealer request visit for any adverse engine condition with the alternator (no or low output) that is the root cause. *tt | 07/13/2005 | |
| 205 | 02/16/2005 | 10015294 | Timesert 14mm drain plug thread repair kit. *tt | 07/13/2005 | |
| 205 | 02/16/2005 | 10015292 | Timesert 12mm head bolt thread repair kit. *tt | 07/13/2005 | |
| 01162005 | 01/16/2005 | 10014754 | Alternator condtion. *eh | 05/09/2005 | |
| 11162004 | 11/16/2004 | 10014527 | Alternator condition no or low output. *eh | 05/04/2005 | |
| 10162004 | 10/16/2004 | 10014485 | Engine coolant leaks. *eh | 05/03/2005 | |
| 704 | 07/16/2004 | 10014112 | Engine coolant leaks. 2002 honda pilot *sc | 04/28/2005 | |
| 704 | 07/16/2004 | 10014110 | Engine shutter or stumble. *sc | 04/28/2005 | |
| 105 | 05/16/2004 | 10014120 | P0325, knock sensor harness rodent damage. *sc | 04/28/2005 | |
| 804 | 08/16/2004 | 10014064 | Engine coolant leaks. 2002 honda pilot *sc | 04/27/2005 | |
| 804 | 08/16/2004 | 10014060 | Engine shutter or stumble. *sc | 04/27/2005 | |
| 07012004 | 07/01/2004 | 10014017 | Poor a/c cooling during hard acceleration. *eh | 04/27/2005 | |
| 9162004 | 09/16/2004 | 10013842 | Atf filler plug stuck in case. *eh | 04/26/2005 | |
| 09162004 | 09/16/2004 | 10013848 | Engine shutter stuble or surging. *eh | 04/26/2005 | |
| 04-063 | 01/29/2008 | 10013616 | Accelerator pedal hard to press. *eh accelerator pedal feels like it pops when first pressed. updated 4/1/08. *nj | 04/22/2005 | |
| 04060 | 11/23/2005 | 04060 | 10012650 | Pcm replacement. *eh pcm replacement for erratic or harsh shifting. *ts | 03/09/2005 |
| 11012004 | 11/01/2004 | 10010928 | This is the root cause of any adverse engine condition this includes a customer contention of the battery light on or flashing engine not running or dim lights. request for visit. *eh | 12/16/2004 | |
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - COOLING SYSTEM | |||||
| 09162004 | 09/16/2004 | 10013851 | Engine coolant leaks. *eh | 04/26/2005 | |
| 11012003 | 11/01/2003 | 10009278 | Heater blower motor gets hot or blows a fuse. honda. servicenews. *tt | 09/21/2004 | |
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - ENGINE | |||||
| 05162005 | 05/16/2005 | 10016295 | Engine-cranks won't start, immobilizer light flashes. *sc | 09/06/2005 | |
| 05162005 | 05/16/2005 | 10016305 | Engine-alternator/no or low output. *sc | 09/06/2005 | |
| 01012004 | 01/01/2004 | 10009077 | Engine cranks but doesn't start. immobi light blinks. honda. servicenews. *tt | 09/09/2004 | |
| 06072004 | 06/07/2004 | 10008024 | Engine oil leaks. *mj | 07/20/2004 | |
| 020204 | 02/02/2004 | 10006826 | Broken head bolt(s). request for parts. *tt | 05/14/2004 | |
| 012704 | 01/27/2004 | 10005652 | Request for visit. customer complaint of the engine stumbling, shuddering, hesitating, or momentarily surging. may also experience a check engine light, and diagnostic trouble code (dtc) p1491 may be displayed. *tt | 03/09/2004 | |
Consumer Complaints
| Fail date | miles | occurences | Purchase date |
|---|---|---|---|
| ENGINE | |||
| 03/12/2013 | 96000 | ||
| Dear sir/madam, we own a 2004 honda odyssey ex and bought it new at a local dealership. we maintained the vehicle according to the specs by the manufacturer. earlier today we brought it to a local auto shop to get a regular oil change and was notified that the engine mounts are broken down and since the mileage is still under 100k, it is uncommon to have that. the store owner also mentioned that he noticed a lot of other honda odysseys have the similar problem. we went online to research the matter and found that there are actually a lot of complaints regarding similar issue from other honda odyssey owners particularly from 2003 to 2007 honda odyssey. since we did not find a recall from honda of america, we want to report the problem here to be taken a look upon. thank you for your time. | |||
| 10/08/2012 | 90000 | 1 | |
| Two engine mounts are failing despite the relatively low mileage on the van. i've never owned a vehicle that suffered from such a potentially catastrophic failure with this many miles on it. *tr | |||
| 10/08/2012 | 90000 | ||
| Two engine mounts are failing despite the relatively low mileage on the van. i've never owned a vehicle that suffered from such a potentially catastrophic failure with this many miles on it. | |||
| 08/19/2012 | 114775 | 1 | |
| Originating in portland, or to l.a., california, our vacation was abruptly interrupted 30 miles north of bakersfield with some smoke coming out of our engine. we decided to pull over for safety and upon disembarking noticed from fluid dripping from the driver side area of the engine. we were towed to a honda dealership in bakersfield and after spending the night came back the next morning to the dealer and was told that my transmission on my 2004 honda odyssey was out of commission and that it needed to be replaced. i have been a loyal customer of honda since the 80's, as my other family members, and never had we experienced this type of catastrophic event(having to pay $4000.00 to replace the transmission) during our family vacation. i am the original owner of this van and (from 2004), i never have i received any recall or communication from the honda corporation about the transmission. i always changed my fluids and had it maintained. if i would've known about the transmission issue, i probably would've avoided using it for such as long journey. i contacted the honda corporation office in california but they disregarded it as just a misfortune. i asked for reimbursement or some type of reimbursement but they denied my plead. *tr | |||
| 08/19/2012 | 114775 | ||
| Originating in portland, or to l.a., california, our vacation was abruptly interrupted 30 miles north of bakersfield with some smoke coming out of our engine. we decided to pull over for safety and upon disembarking noticed from fluid dripping from the driver side area of the engine. we were towed to a honda dealership in bakersfield and after spending the night came back the next morning to the dealer and was told that my transmission on my 2004 honda odyssey was out of commission and that it needed to be replaced. i have been a loyal customer of honda since the 80's, as my other family members, and never had we experienced this type of catastrophic event(having to pay $4000.00 to replace the transmission) during our family vacation. i am the original owner of this van and (from 2004), i never have i received any recall or communication from the honda corporation about the transmission. i always changed my fluids and had it maintained. if i would've known about the transmission issue, i probably would've avoided using it for such as long journey. i contacted the honda corporation office in california but they disregarded it as just a misfortune. i asked for reimbursement or some type of reimbursement but they denied my plead. | |||
| 08/16/2012 | 1 | ||
| Took the van to the local honda dealer for a routine brake fluid and brake rotor replacement. while working on that the mechanic noticed that the two front engine mounts were damaged. these are not listed by honda as the routine maintanance items. but failure of these would cause certain damage. apparently it is a known issue with honday odysseys but honda has no recall for the failed part. *tr | |||
| 11/20/2011 | 105000 | 1 | |
| Was told that 2 engine mounts needed to be replaced. one was broken, and the other cracked. standard maintenance schedule followed. no issue mentioned at during previous service appointments. normal family driving for vacations and around town only. *tr | |||
| 08/16/2012 | |||
| Took the van to the local honda dealer for a routine break fluid and break rotor replacement. while working on that the mechanic noticed that the two front engine mounts were damaged. these are not listed by honda as the routine maintanance items. but failure of these would cause certain damage. apparently it is a known issue with honday odysseys but honda has no recall for the failed part. | |||
| 11/20/2011 | 105000 | 1 | |
| Was told that 2 engine mounts needed to be replaced. one was broken, and the other cracked. standard maintenance schedule followed. no issue mentioned at during previous service appointments. normal family driving for vacations and around town only. *tr | |||
| 11/20/2011 | 105000 | ||
| Was told that 2 engine mounts needed to be replaced. one was broken, and the other cracked. standard maintenance schedule followed. no issue mentioned at during previous service appointments. normal family driving for vacations and around town only. | |||
| 08/08/2012 | 79000 | 1 | |
| Vehicle failed safety inspection today because 3 engine mounts are broken. they were not broken at last years safety inspection, nor at scheduled maintenance 6 months ago. mechanic indicated he sees this frequently on honda odyssey. *tr | |||
| 08/08/2012 | 79000 | ||
| Vehicle failed safety inspection today because 3 engine mounts are broken. they were not broken at last years safety inspection, nor at scheduled maintenance 6 months ago. mechanic indicated he sees this frequently on honda odessey. | |||
| 07/04/2012 | 156000 | 1 | |
| Sudden loss of acceleration on the interstate mechanic looked underneath and mentioned the rear main seal on the transmission was leaking and it lost the transmission fluid only option now is an approximate $5,000 replacement with re-manufactured transmission!!!! *tr | |||
| 07/22/2012 | 65000 | ||
| Tl* the contact owns a 2004 honda odyssey. when the contact shifted from park into the reverse position, there was a loud noise. the contact was able to drive and the vehicle was taken to an authorized dealer, where the motor mount was replaced. the manufacturer was not notified of the failure. the approximate failure mileage was 65,000. | |||
| 07/04/2012 | 156000 | 1 | |
| Sudden loss of acceleration on the interstate mechanic looked underneath and mentioned the rear main seal on the transmission was leaking and it lost the transmission fluid only option now is an approximate $5,000 replacement with re-manufactured transmission!!!! *tr | |||
| 07/22/2012 | 65000 | ||
| Tl* the contact owns a 2004 honda odyssey. when the contact shifted from park into the reverse position, there was a loud noise. the contact was able to drive and the vehicle was taken to an authorized dealer, where the motor mount was replaced. the manufacturer was not notified of the failure. the approximate failure mileage was 65,000. | |||
| 07/04/2012 | 156000 | ||
| Sudden loss of acceleration on the interstate mechanic looked underneath and mentioned the rear main seal on the transmission was leaking and it lost the transmission fluid only option now is an approximate $5,000 replacement with re-manufactured transmission!!!! | |||
| 07/22/2012 | 65000 | ||
| Tl-the contact owns a 2004 honda odyssey. when the contact shifted from park into the reverse position, there was a loud noise. the contact was able to drive and the vehicle was taken to an authorized dealer, where the motor mount was replaced. the manufacturer was not notified of the failure. the approximate failure mileage was 65,000. sm. | |||
| 07/04/2012 | 156000 | ||
| Sudden loss of acceleration on the interstate mechanic looked underneath and mentioned the rear main seal on the transmission was leaking and it lost the transmission fluid only option now is an approximate $5,000 replacement with re-manufactured transmission!!!! | |||
| 07/22/2012 | 65000 | ||
| Tl-the contact owns a 2004 honda odyssey. when the contact shifted from park into the reverse position, there was a loud noise. the contact was able to drive and the vehicle was taken to an authorized dealer where the motor mount was replaced. the manufacturer was not notified of the problem. the approximate failure mileage was 65,000. js | |||
| 07/01/2012 | 104000 | 1 | |
| Had noticed recently that when switching gears the van jumped and at highway speeds seemed to vibrate/shake. then the engine light came on. after much investigation, the diagnosis was the transmission needed to be replaced. when the transmission was being worked on it was also discovered that all of the mounts had to be replaced as well. the maintenance schedule had been followed completely so this was a complete shock -- at least until i started doing some research, saw the recall notice of over 1-million honda odyssey transmissions (however my vin # didn't come up!) and saw just how many transmission complaints there were from other owners also not part of the recall. because the dealership was way too expensive, i chose my recommended local aamco shop to do the repairs. called honda and was told there would be no goodwill claim because (a) the dealership did not do the repair and (b) the transmission is only warrantied by honda for 36/36,000 (no wonder!!). however, the dealership had told me that honda rarely provides goodwill claims and if they do, i'd be lucky to receive $400, so considering the dealership was over $2000 more for just the transmission work, i couldn't risk having the dealership do the repair to later find out that honda would reject a goodwill claim. *tr | |||
| 07/01/2012 | 104000 | ||
| Had noticed recently that when switching gears the van jumped and at highway speeds seemed to vibrate/shake. then the engine light came on. after much investigation, the diagnosis was the transmission needed to be replaced. when the transmission was being worked on it was also discovered that all of the mounts had to be replaced as well. the maintenance schedule had been followed completely so this was a complete shock -- at least until i started doing some research, saw the recall notice of over 1-million honda odyssey transmissions (however my vin # didn't come up!) and saw just how many transmission complaints there were from other owners also not part of the recall. because the dealership was way too expensive, i chose my recommended local aamco shop to do the repairs. called honda and was told there would be no goodwill claim because (a) the dealership did not do the repair and (b) the transmission is only warrantied by honda for 36/36,000 (no wonder!!). however, the dealership had told me that honda rarely provides goodwill claims and if they do, i'd be lucky to receive $400, so considering the dealership was over $2000 more for just the transmission work, i couldn't risk having the dealership do the repair to later find out that honda would reject a goodwill claim. | |||
| 05/18/2012 | 111000 | ||
| While driving the van about 65 mph on highway, it suddenly slowed down to a stop, could not get any power. cruised to the side of the road. noticed fluids leaking from engine. had to tow the car to the dealership, frank ancona honda, olathe kansas. told that the front and side motor mounts were broken and was causing stress on the back motor mount, and that this caused the engine to shake and the vent tube was shaken off, drained all transmission fluid. cost to repair the motor mounts and vent tube was $860.31. told by repairman that this was a common problem for honda odyssey's when they hit around the 110,000 mile mark. and they replace these all the time. seems to me if this is a common problem then there must be a flaw in the engineering and honda should have recalled this vehicle for this problem. this is a safety issue to which i feel honda needs to address and fix. | |||
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING | |||
| 07/02/2012 | 97750 | 1 | |
| Motor mounts on this vehicle are failing prematurely. i had to replace right engine mount at 97750 miles and was just informed by a honda dealership that the front engine mount needs to be replaced at 102500 miles. *tr | |||
| 02/27/2012 | 78500 | ||
| Backing out of my driveway in reverse then shifting into drive the odyssey would continue in reverse. shifted into drive and the car wouldn't move. shifted into 2nd gear and the car stated to move, shifted again into drive. stopped at a traffic light and when i put my foot on the gas the rpm's went flying and the car wouldn't move forward. | |||
| 12/19/2011 | 91578 | ||
| Vin not available: car currently in service on monday, 12/19/2011, the odyssey accelerated even after applying brakes to slow down. had to pull into service shop and drive until the car could be safely placed in park, and had to shut off the engine. was told the electronic throttle position sensor (part #047211) would have to be ordered from honda and replaced. the car was available for pick up on tuesday 12/20/2011. on wednesday, 12/21/2011, while traveling east on the new york state thruway the car began to accelerate again above the speed limit without stepping on the gas. the cruise control was not on. the car continued to accelerate after depressing the brakes. i had to pull to the side of the road and into a service station. continued to drive around parking lot until i could put the car in neutral and, again, shut the engine off. even when car was turned back on the engine accelerated. the car is currently at a certified honda repair shop in yorkville, n.y. being evaluated. they are telling us they will need to check engine and transmission mounts on the vehicle (due to being in an accident in 2009, but was reconditioned in 2010 by another honda dealer), also will check cable between throttle body and gas. still waiting to hear if anything has been resolved. this car is the main car for our household which includes 4-year-old triplets (one has special needs). only the operator was in the vehicle when both incidents occurred. | |||
| 11/25/2011 | 97000 | ||
| My wife was driving home late at night when all of a sudden the check engine light and tcs light come on in her 2004 honda odyssey. the van begins to slow down until it will go no faster than 5 mph. pulling to the side of the road, she turned off the van then restarted it. she was able to get the last few miles back to our house luckily, and we brought the vehicle to a shop just up the street since it could not make it much further. it turns out the transmission needs to be replaced. the shop called honda, knowing there had been a recall on the 2004 odyssey transmissions, but honda claimed that it did the work for the recall and had no further responsibility. i am extremely dissatisfied with this. to know there is a problem with a transmission, fix it with a recall, and still have problems with it on a vehicle with under 100,000 miles is unacceptable. i've owned hondas in the past and never had a problem like this. matter of fact, i've never had a problem like this with any car i've owned, no matter the manufacturer. my wife and i purchased a honda minivan because it is supposed to be safe. but to have the vehicle stop working with no warning due to a transmission that honda is aware is faulty is as far from safe as you can get. i'm just thankful she wasn't on the highway when it went out. | |||
| 11/18/2011 | 79000 | ||
| Our 2004 odyssey went in for routine maintenance today and the technician reported both a front and a rear motor mount was bad. the vehicle has less than 80,000 miles and is used for hauling kids and getting groceries, not extreme driving and has never been in an accident. the service representative said this is a safety problem because it can cause excessive vibration, damage the transmission, and cause hoses and wires to come lose. this is an unacceptable manufacturing defect. the expected life of such an essential part cannot possibly be less than 150,000 miles. it is not a routine maintenance problem, it is not a consumable part like brakes and hoses, and it's not a moving part like the transmission or a pulley. i would expect the transmission or engine to fail long before the parts holding the van together to start failing, especially the mounts holding the engine. the following link suggests this is a widespread problem that honda refuses to address: http://community.cartalk.com/discussion/1560611/honda-odyssey-motor-mount-problem. | |||
| 09/01/2011 | 110000 | ||
| Tl* the contact owns a 2004 honda odyssey. the contact stated that the vehicle was taken to the dealer for routine brake service. the dealer discovered that the top motor mount on the passenger side was completely worn and the rubber was fractured. the motor mounts were no longer covered on the vehicle and the vehicle was not repaired. the failure mileage was 110,000. the vin was not available. | |||
| 09/12/2011 | 82600 | ||
| Two engine mounts failed at 82600 miles. i understand it is a common occurence on this vehicle. | |||
| 09/01/2011 | 110000 | ||
| Tl- the contact owns a 2004 honda odyssey. the contact stated that the vehicle was taken to the dealer for routine brake service. the dealer discovered that the top motor mount on the passenger side was completely worn and the rubber was fractured. the motor mounts were no longer covered on the vehicle and the vehicle was not repaired. the failure mileage was 110,000. the vin was not available. kmj | |||
| 09/12/2011 | 82600 | ||
| Two engine mounts failed at 82600 miles. i understand it is a common occurence on this vehicle. | |||
| 09/01/2011 | |||
| Tl- the contact owns a 2004 honda odyssey. the contact stated the top motor mount on the passenger side has wore out. the rubber used is cracked. the contact found out about the failure when the vehicle was taken into the dealer for brake service. the motor mounts are no longer covered on the vehicle. the current mileage was 110,000.rl | |||
| 09/12/2011 | 82600 | ||
| Two engine mounts failed at 82600 miles. i understand it is a common occurence on this vehicle. | |||
| 02/01/2010 | 148000 | ||
| Took the vehicle to the dealership for an oil change. was advised the front engine mount and both side engine mounts were broken. the service advisor said this is a common problem with this vehicle. i paid over 700 for this repair | |||
| 12/22/2010 | 95000 | ||
| Took the vehicle to the dealership for an oil change. was advised the front engine mount and both side engine mounts were broken. the service advisor said this is a common problem with this vehicle. | |||
| 04/24/2010 | 96215 | 1 | |
| Information redacted pursuant to the freedom of information act (foia), 5 u.s.c. 552(b)(6) my car is 2004 honda odyssey van. when service dept. of honda dealership at dublin, ca replaced my timing belt, they found out that two front engine mounts have been already broken. they told me that if i don't replace the broken engine mounts now ,the third engine mount on the back will be broken soon and it will damage your automatic transmission system. the estimated cost was $700 to fix the two engine mounts. i had to replace the parts to avoid danger and more fixing cost in the future. my wife and i have driven several different cars and had never that kind of problem before - broken engine mounts. when i researched internet, i found out that honda odyssey van owners have complained about same problem that i have now and it costs honda odyssey van owner $650 to $1,000 to fix the problem. could you please investigate this problem - broken engine mount in honda odyssey van? [xxx] *tr | |||
| 08/23/2006 | 1 | 06/25/2004 | |
| In 2/05, took van to dealer, explaining vehicle sometimes does not start, doesn't even make any turn over noises, but then smells of gas. this is an occasional item and then starts. dealers stated i must be turning the key too fast. also been experiencing vehicle cutting out between 35-50 mph. dealer states must be from taking foot off gas pedal. most recently, around 33k, blower motor for ac has terrible noise. have taken to dealer 2x in 3 weeks. told there are leaves in system. an independent mechanic states it is most likely a bearing going bad in the motor. have continued to inform dealer of starting problems & hesitation problems between 35-50 mpg. told warranty is close to expiring, but have driven & started vehicle several times & can't replicate problem. most recent trip to dealer was on 8/23/06. *jb | |||
| 08/25/2004 | 5000 | 30 | 02/04/2004 |
| When driving at a consistent speed between 30 and 50 mph, engine feels like it is losing power and the tachometer needle fluctuates, this will occur for a few seconds and then return to normal. it seems to happen regardless if the engine is cool or hot. took to honda dealer and technician only took the van out for one test drive without experiencing the problem. i told service advisor that the problem occurs intermittently. took van on july 08, contacted honda, still no resolution.*ak | |||
| 06/01/2004 | 1900 | 2 | |
| After parking the vehicle consumer was unable to restart vehicle. then, after several hours the vehicle started as if nothing ever happened. dealer inspected the vehicle twice but, could not find the cause of the problem.*ak | |||
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - COOLING SYSTEM | |||
| 07/15/2007 | 52305 | 1 | |
| I bought this odyssey from jim coleman honda in maryland in 2006 with extended warranty. this is 2004 model. the ac worked 2006 but in 2007 it di not work when we needed. i called the honda and was told that they do not cover ac under the warranty. i took my odyssey to criswell honda in germantown in maryland and paid $100.00 for the diagnostic. it worked fine for a week and again no ac. after that we went to india in sep 2007 and rtn in dec 2007. when the summer came in 2007 we had no ac i took the van again to criswell honda and explain to them that they fixed this in 2007 they looked and said that there is a leak and will cost $55.00 to fix it. i fought back and after talking to the manager they said it will cost $50.00. i paid and after 3 days again no ac. come 2009 may i took it to my local mechanic and was told that theirs is no visible leaks at this time but they need to put the dye to chk any leak and will cost me $560.00 . i guess that it is regular problem with honda and they are well aware of this. good way to make money and spoil your name. i had a honda accord 95 model and never had issue with the ac. i am going to write to honda in japan about this. i have just called the american honda and got the standard answer from ms marlyn that there is no recall or advisory from honda on this. take your vehicle to the dealership and she opened a case no for me. lets fight together. *tr aejaz | |||
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - ENGINE | |||
| 08/05/2011 | 1 | ||
| 2004 honda odyssey. consumer writes in regards to motor mounts *tgw the dealer informed the consumer that the front and side motor mounts were broken and needed to be replaced. *jb | |||
| 07/26/2010 | 100000 | ||
| Tl- the contact owns a 2004 honda odyssey. while traveling 70 mph the contact noticed that the vehicle had suddenly shut off without warning. the vehicle was towed to the dealership where the ignition wiring was replaced. 30 minutes prior to the failure the contact noticed that the vehicle had shut off without warning.. the current and failure mileages were 100000. bml | |||
| 01/08/2010 | 60810 | 1 | |
| Broken motor mount. *tr | |||
| 08/08/2008 | 48000 | 1 | |
| I kept smelling antifreeze after driving the van but never could find a leak. finally, i noticed the engine was overheating. looking carefully, i discovered a coolant leak at head gasket area. while removing head assembly, i noticed two bolts were loose. after removing head assembly from engine block, i discovered stripped threads in one of the bolt holes to hold the head assembly down. a helicoil insert will be used to repair threads before reassembly. *tr | |||
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - EXHAUST SYSTEM - EMISSION CONTROL - GAS RECIRCULATION VALVE (EGR VALVE) | |||
| 02/07/2007 | 500 | 10 | 05/20/2004 |
| Bought the honda in may 2004. noticed a slight hesitation at times when engine was not warmed up. i complained about it in my new car survey form and each time it was serviced. on 8-5-05 they replaced egr valve, as it sometimes would cause this failure. on 2-5-07 it totally quit as i was starting a turn into pep boys parking lot, if anyone would have been coming out i would have run into them as i had no steering nor brakes. took it into the dealer and said i wanted it fixed before i would have an accident. i had mentioned something about the lemon law and they said i would have to contact honda of america, which i did. end result was dealer took car for three days in march 2007. they tested it but could not make it fail so nothing was done. both honda of america and the dealer gave me their final comment: if they can't see a failure there is nothing they can do for it. *ak | |||