Blue Bird All American 2011
Model All American made in 2011 by Blue Bird got 15 recalls as well as 12 service bulletins. Technical service bulletines regarding child seat and electrical system. There were some recalls concerningengine and engine cooling and equipment adaptive.
Model 2011
Recalls
| Campaign | Manufacturer | Manufacturing date | Type | # of units affected | Date Owner notified Mfg | Recall Initiated by | Manufacturers of recalled vehicles/products | Report Recieved Date | Record Creation Date | Regulation Part Number | FMVSS Number | |||||
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| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING | ||||||||||||||||
| 11V423000 | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | from 10/13/2010 to 03/08/2011 | V (Vehicle) | 860 | 10/10/2011 | MFR | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | 08/17/2011 | 08/18/2011 | |||||||
| Defect Summary | Blue bird is recalling certain model year 2011 and 2012 all american school buses manufactured from october 13, 2010, through march 8, 2011, and vision school buses manufactured from october 2, 2010, through february 2, 2011, equipped with a cummins diesel engine. the v-band clamp assembly, part numbers q187684, q187685, and q187686, used to connect the inlet and outlet cone sections to the diesel oxidation catalyst (doc)/diesel particulate filter (dpf) include a t-bolt which can fracture and fail when subjected to stress or load. a fracture or failure of the t-bolt may cause the clamp to loosen and the inlet or outlet sections attached to the doc/dpf housing to disconnect. | |||||||||||||||
| Consequence Summary | If the inlet or outlet sections disconnect, hot exhaust gases can vent prior to exiting the tailpipe, creating the risk of combustion and a fire. if both clamps fail, there is a risk in some applications that the doc/dpf housing may detach completely, creating a road hazard. | |||||||||||||||
| Corrective Summary | Blue bird is working with cummins to identify and notify owners of the recall campaign. repairs will be performed by authorized cummins dealers free of charge. the safety recall began on october 10, 2011. owners may contact cummins at 1-812-377-5000 or blue bird at 1-478-822-2242. | |||||||||||||||
| Notes | Cummins recall campaign number is c1154.blue bird's recall campaign number is r11th.owners may also contact the national highway traffic safety administration's vehicle safety hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (tty 1-800-424-9153), or go to http://www.safercar.gov . | |||||||||||||||
| 11V424000 | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | from 11/02/2010 to 03/17/2011 | V (Vehicle) | 24 | 10/10/2011 | MFR | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | 08/17/2011 | 08/18/2011 | |||||||
| Defect Summary | Blue bird is recalling certain model year 2011 and 2012 all american non-school buses manufactured from november 2, 2010, through march 17, 2011, and vision conventional non-november 2, 2010, through march 17, 2011, equipped with a cummins diesel engine. the v-band clamp assembly, part numbers q187684, q187685, and q187686, used to connect the inlet and outlet cone sections to the diesel oxidation catalyst (doc)/diesel particulate filter (dpf) include a t-bolt which can fracture and fail when subjected to stress or load. a fracture or failure of the t-bolt may cause the clamp to loosen and the inlet or outlet sections attached to the doc/dpf housing to disconnect. | |||||||||||||||
| Consequence Summary | If the inlet or outlet sections disconnect, hot exhaust gases can vent prior to exiting the tailpipe, creating the risk of combustion and a fire. if both clamps fail, there is a risk in some applications that the doc/dpf housing may detach completely, creating a road hazard. | |||||||||||||||
| Corrective Summary | Blue bird is working with cummins to identify and notify owners of the recall campaign. repairs will be performed by authorized cummins dealers free of charge. the safety recall began on october 10, 2011. owners may contact cummins at 1-812-377-5000 or blue bird at 1-478-822-2242. | |||||||||||||||
| Notes | Cummins recall campaign number is c1154.blue bird's recall campaign number is r11th.owners may also contact the national highway traffic safety administration's vehicle safety hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (tty 1-800-424-9153), or go to http://www.safercar.gov . | |||||||||||||||
| 10V380000 | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | from 07/16/2006 to 08/03/2010 | V (Vehicle) | 466 | 09/24/2010 | MFR | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | 08/20/2010 | 08/20/2010 | |||||||
| Defect Summary | Blue bird is recalling certain model year 2007 through 2010 all american non school buses manufactured from july 16, 2006 through august 3, 2010 equipped with cummins isb-02, isb-07, and isb-10 engines. an incorrect combination of flat washer and serrated nut was installed on the bolt that secures the starter cable retaining clamp to its attaching bracket at the front of the engine above the engine cooling fan. the flat washer prevents the serrated nut from locking against the attaching bracket. over time, the serrated nut may back off allowing the starter cable to fall and contact the fan hub while in operation. | |||||||||||||||
| Consequence Summary | If the starter cable contacts the fan hub while the fan hub is in operation, the cable covering may abrade which could result in a direct short. a short could potentially result in a vehicle fire. | |||||||||||||||
| Corrective Summary | Blue bird will notify owners and repair the buses free of charge. the safety recall began on september 24, 2010. owners may contact blue bird at 1-478-822-2242. | |||||||||||||||
| Notes | Blue bird's recall campaign number is r10sl.owners may also contact the national highway traffic safety administration's vehicle safety hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (tty 1-800-424-9153), or go to http://www.safercar.gov . | |||||||||||||||
| 10V379000 | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | from 05/29/2006 to 08/07/2010 | V (Vehicle) | 3992 | 09/24/2010 | MFR | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | 08/20/2010 | 08/20/2010 | |||||||
| Defect Summary | Blue bird is recalling certain model year 2007 through 2010 all american school buses manufactured from may 29, 2006 through august 7, 2010 equipped with cummins isb-02, isb-07, and isb-10 engines. an incorrect combination of flat washer and serrated nut was installed on the bolt that secures the starter cable retaining clamp to its attaching bracket at the front of the engine above the engine cooling fan. the flat washer prevents the serrated nut from locking against the attaching bracket. over time, the serrated nut may back off allowing the starter cable to fall and contact the fan hub while in operation. | |||||||||||||||
| Consequence Summary | If the starter cable contacts the fan hub while the fan hub is in operation, the cable covering may abrade which could result in a direct short. a short could potentially result in a vehicle fire. | |||||||||||||||
| Corrective Summary | Blue bird will notify owners and repair the buses free of charge. the safety recall began on september 24, 2010. owners may contact blue bird at 1-478-822-2242. | |||||||||||||||
| Notes | Blue bird's recall campaign number is r10sl.owners may also contact the national highway traffic safety administration's vehicle safety hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (tty 1-800-424-9153), or go to http://www.safercar.gov . | |||||||||||||||
| EQUIPMENT ADAPTIVE | ||||||||||||||||
| 12V153000 | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | from 01/17/2008 to 10/21/2010 | V (Vehicle) | 125 | 04/26/2012 | MFR | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | 04/05/2012 | 04/09/2012 | |||||||
| Defect Summary | Blue bird is recalling certain model year 2009 through 2011 all american, vision, and micro bird school buses equipped with braun vista-2 wheelchair lifts. over time and with frequent use, the roll stop latches on the outer barrier may become bent or misaligned. | |||||||||||||||
| Consequence Summary | A wheelchair occupant may defeat or ride over the insufficiently latched roll stop. if this occurs when the lift platform is in an elevated position, the wheelchair | |||||||||||||||
| Corrective Summary | Blue bird will notify owners, and the repairs will be performed by authorized braun dealers free of charge. the safety recall began on april 26, 2012. owners may contact blue bird at 1-478-822-2242. | |||||||||||||||
| Notes | Blue bird's recall campaign number is r12tu.owners may also contact the national highway traffic safety administration's vehicle safety hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (tty 1-800-424-9153), or go to http://www.safercar.gov . | |||||||||||||||
| 10V133000 | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | from 12/13/2007 to 01/18/2010 | V (Vehicle) | 1622 | 04/27/2010 | MFR | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | 04/05/2010 | 04/06/2010 | |||||||
| Defect Summary | Blue bird has notified nhtsa about a defect in certain model year 2008 through 2011 all american, conventional, and micro bird school buses manufactured from december 13, 2007 through january 18, 2010 equipped with ricon model s or k series public use wheelchair lifts. the restraint belt on these lifts was designed to prevent the lift from moving, unless the tongue of the belt is fully engaged and latched in the buckle. ricon has discovered, however, that it is possible for the operator to insert the belt tongue into the buckle without fully engaging the latching mechanism. in this case, the restraint belt would appear to be latched, and the operator could run the lift. if the restraint belt tongue is not fully engaged into the restraint belt buckle, and latched, the lift may operate with an occupant on the platform. | |||||||||||||||
| Consequence Summary | The user of the lift could be injured should the lift move without the restraint belt properly buckled. | |||||||||||||||
| Corrective Summary | Blue bird is working with ricon and ricon will be handling the remedy for this campaign. please see ricon's defect report 09e-060. ricon will provide customers with a warning decal and a dvd-based training aid. the safety recall began on april 27, 2010. owners may contact ricon at 1-818-267-3000 or blue bird at 1-478-822-2242. | |||||||||||||||
| Notes | Blue bird's recall campaign number is r10rt.owners may also contact the national highway traffic safety administration's vehicle safety hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (tty 1-800-424-9153), or go to http://www.safercar.gov . | |||||||||||||||
| FUEL SYSTEM, DIESEL | ||||||||||||||||
| 11V569000 | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | from 04/12/2006 to 06/27/2011 | V (Vehicle) | 250 | 03/09/2012 | MFR | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | 12/02/2011 | 12/02/2011 | 571 | 301 | |||||
| Defect Summary | Blue bird is recalling certain model year 2007 through 2012 all american rear engine school buses manufactured from april 12, 2006, through june 27, 2011, and equipped with a 60 gallon fuel tank. the tank return line can develop a leak that exceeds the amount of fuel spillage allowed. accordingly, these buses fail to conform to the requirements of federal motor vehicle safety standard no. 301, fuel system integrity. | |||||||||||||||
| Consequence Summary | A fuel leak in the presence of an ignition source can result in a fire. | |||||||||||||||
| Corrective Summary | Blue bird will notify owners, and dealers will repair the buses free of charge. the safety recall began on march 9, 2012. owners may contact blue bird at 1-478-822-2242. | |||||||||||||||
| Notes | Blue bird's recall campaign number is r11tr.owners may also contact the national highway traffic safety administration's vehicle safety hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (tty 1-800-424-9153), or go to http://www.safercar.gov . | |||||||||||||||
| PARKING BRAKE | ||||||||||||||||
| 11V351000 | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | from 09/22/2006 to 08/07/2010 | V (Vehicle) | 121 | 07/24/2011 | MFR | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | 07/08/2011 | 07/11/2011 | |||||||
| Defect Summary | Blue bird is recalling certain model year 2007 through 2011 all american school buses manufactured from september 22, 2006, through august 7, 2010, and equipped with optional park brake valve interlock feature. the optional park brake interlock valve may have been plumbed incorrectly which could result in inadvertent park brake application without prior warning. | |||||||||||||||
| Consequence Summary | Inadvertent application of the park brake valve could cause a vehicle crash which could result in property damage, personal injury, or death. | |||||||||||||||
| Corrective Summary | Blue bird will notify owners and dealers will repair the buses free of charge. all of the buses have been inspected and, if needed, repaired. therefore, an owner notification letter will not be issued for this campaign. owners may contact blue bird at 1-478-822-2242. | |||||||||||||||
| Notes | Blue bird's recall campaign number is r11tf.owners may also contact the national highway traffic safety administration's vehicle safety hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (tty 1-800-424-9153), or go to http://www.safercar.gov . | |||||||||||||||
| SEATS | ||||||||||||||||
| 10V299000 | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | from 03/25/2009 to 01/12/2010 | V (Vehicle) | 15 | 08/20/2010 | MFR | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | 06/29/2010 | 06/30/2010 | |||||||
| Defect Summary | Blue bird is recalling certain model year 2010 and 2011 all american model non school buses manufactured from march 25, 2009 through january 12, 2010. the driver's seat shock damper may break allowing the driver's seat to unexpectedly drop to the floor without warning. | |||||||||||||||
| Consequence Summary | In the event this should occur while the bus is in operation, the driver may lose control of the vehicle, possibly resulting in a crash. | |||||||||||||||
| Corrective Summary | Blue bird will notify owners and replace the seat shock as necessary. the safety recall began on august 16, 2010. owners may contact blue bird at 1-478-822-2242. | |||||||||||||||
| Notes | Blue bird's recall campaign number is r10sf.owners may also contact the national highway traffic safety administration's vehicle safety hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (tty 1-800-424-9153), or go to http://www.safercar.gov . | |||||||||||||||
| 10V298000 | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | from 03/25/2009 to 01/12/2010 | V (Vehicle) | 1542 | 08/16/2010 | MFR | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | 06/29/2010 | 06/30/2010 | |||||||
| Defect Summary | Blue bird is recalling certain model year 2010 and 2011 all american and vision model school buses manufactured from march 25, 2009 through january 12, 2010. the driver's seat shock damper may break allowing the driver's seat to unexpectedly drop to the floor without warning. | |||||||||||||||
| Consequence Summary | In the event this should occur while the bus is in operation, the driver may lose control of the vehicle, possibly resulting in a crash. | |||||||||||||||
| Corrective Summary | Blue bird will notify owners and replace the seat shock as necessary. the safety recall began on august 20, 2010. owners may contact blue bird at 1-478-822-2242. | |||||||||||||||
| Notes | Blue bird's recall campaign number is r10sf.owners may also contact the national highway traffic safety administration's vehicle safety hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (tty 1-800-424-9153), or go to http://www.safercar.gov . | |||||||||||||||
| SEATS - BARRIERS | ||||||||||||||||
| 11V499000 | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | from 11/15/2005 to 05/03/2011 | V (Vehicle) | 54 | 01/18/2012 | OVSC | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | 10/14/2011 | 10/14/2011 | 571 | 222 | |||||
| Defect Summary | Blue bird is recalling certain model year 2006 through 2012 all american, 2006 through 2011 vision, and 2006 conventional school buses manufactured between september 19, 2005, and may 3, 2011, equipped with 2-passenger seats installed forward of the 39 barrier. in the event of a crash, the barrier may make contact with the 2-passenger seat installed forward of the barrier. accordingly, these buses fail to conform with the requirements of federal motor vehicle safety standard no. 222, school bus passenger seating and crash protection. | |||||||||||||||
| Consequence Summary | The seat occupants may be seriously injured in the event of a crash. | |||||||||||||||
| Corrective Summary | Blue bird will notify owners, and dealers will repair the buses free of charge. the safety recall began on january 18, 2012. owners may contact blue bird at 1-478-822-2242. | |||||||||||||||
| Notes | Blue bird's recall campaign number is r11tq.owners may also contact the national highway traffic safety administration's vehicle safety hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (tty 1-800-424-9153), or go to http://www.safercar.gov . | |||||||||||||||
| SERVICE BRAKES, AIR | ||||||||||||||||
| 12V218000 | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | from 05/30/2009 to 04/04/2012 | V (Vehicle) | 31 | 05/23/2012 | MFR | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | 05/15/2012 | 05/16/2012 | 571 | 121 | |||||
| Defect Summary | Blue bird corporation (blue bird) is recalling certain model year 2010 through 2013 all american and vision non school buses manufactured from may 30, 2009, through april 4, 2012 and equipped with air brakes. the primary and secondary air brake lines may have been crossed at the brake treadle valve. incorrect installation of the air brake lines at the air brake treadle valve fails to conform with the requirements of federal motor vehicle safety standard no. 121, air brake systems. | |||||||||||||||
| Consequence Summary | In the event of a brake system problem, incorrect installation of the air brake lines could result in a reduction or complete loss of brake action, increasing the risk of a crash. | |||||||||||||||
| Corrective Summary | Blue bird will notify owners, and dealers will repair the buses free of charge. the recall began on may 23, , 2012. owners may contact blue bird at 1-478-822-2242. | |||||||||||||||
| Notes | Blue bird's recall campaign number is r12va.owners may also contact the national highway traffic safety administration's vehicle safety hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (tty 1-800-424-9153), or go to http://www.safercar.gov . | |||||||||||||||
| 12V217000 | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | from 05/30/2009 to 04/04/2012 | V (Vehicle) | 651 | 05/23/2012 | MFR | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | 05/15/2012 | 05/16/2012 | 571 | 121 | |||||
| Defect Summary | Blue bird corporation (blue bird) is recalling certain model year 2010 through 2013 all american and vision school buses manufactured from may 30, 2009, through april 4, 2012 and equipped with air brakes. the primary and secondary air brake lines may have been crossed at the brake treadle valve. incorrect installation of the air brake lines at the air brake treadle valve fails to conform with the requirements of federal motor vehicle safety standard no. 121, air brake systems. | |||||||||||||||
| Consequence Summary | In the event of a brake system problem, incorrect installation of the air brake lines could result in a reduction or complete loss of brake action, increasing the risk of a crash. | |||||||||||||||
| Corrective Summary | Blue bird will notify owners, and dealers will repair the buses free of charge. the recall began on may 23, 2012. owners may contact blue bird at 1-478-822-2242. | |||||||||||||||
| Notes | Blue bird's recall campaign number is r12va.owners may also contact the national highway traffic safety administration's vehicle safety hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (tty 1-800-424-9153), or go to http://www.safercar.gov . | |||||||||||||||
| STRUCTURE - BODY | ||||||||||||||||
| 11V086000 | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | from 10/18/2010 to 01/06/2011 | V (Vehicle) | 363 | 03/15/2011 | MFR | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | 02/10/2011 | 02/10/2011 | 571 | 217 | |||||
| Defect Summary | Blue bird is recalling certain model year 2011 and 2012 vision and all american model school buses manufactured from october 18, 2010, through january 6, 2011. the sheet metal rain visors over the pushout side window on the left side of the bus may prohibit the emergency exit window from opening sufficiently which fails to conform to the emergency egress requirements of federal motor vehicle safety standard no. 217, bus emergency exists and window retention and release. | |||||||||||||||
| Consequence Summary | In the event of an emergency, passengers could be injured if they are unable to quickly exit the bus. | |||||||||||||||
| Corrective Summary | Blue bird will notify owners and dealers will repair the buses free of charge. the safety recall behan on march 15, 2011. owners may contact blue bird at 1-478-822-2242. | |||||||||||||||
| Notes | Blue bird's campaign number is r11sw.owners may also contact the national highway traffic safety administration's vehicle safety hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (tty 1-800-424-9153), or go to http://www.safercar.gov . | |||||||||||||||
| STRUCTURE - FRAME AND MEMBERS - UNDERBODY SHIELDS | ||||||||||||||||
| 10V628000 | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | from 04/23/2010 to 09/11/2010 | V (Vehicle) | 143 | 01/26/2011 | MFR | BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY | 12/16/2010 | 12/20/2010 | 571 | 221 | |||||
| Defect Summary | Blue bird is recalling certain model year 2011 all american d3 model school buses manufactured with 20 gauge outside side panels from april 23, 2010, through september 11, 2010. the side panel joint adhesive that is required to be used to adhere the panels may not have been used during production. accordingly, these buses fail to comply with the joint strength requirements of federal motor vehicle safety standard no. 221, school bus body joint strength. | |||||||||||||||
| Consequence Summary | In the event of a crash, the side panel joints may not endure as intended and the panels may loosen or separate, increasing the risk of injury to passengers. | |||||||||||||||
| Corrective Summary | Blue bird will notify owners and dealers add additional rivets free of charge. the safety recall began on january 26, 2011. owners may contact blue bird at 1-478-822-2242. | |||||||||||||||
| Notes | Blue bird's recall campaign number is r11su.owners may also contact the national highway traffic safety administration's vehicle safety hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (tty 1-800-424-9153), or go to http://www.safercar.gov . | |||||||||||||||
Bulletins
| Bulletin | Bulletin date | Replacement Bulletin | Item no. | Summary | Added |
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| CHILD SEAT - HARNESS | |||||
| S12-TV | 04/11/2012 | 10044040 | Blue bird: the subject buses are equipped with a sleeping child check figure feature which may not 'arm' as required by the state of georgia. *js | 05/08/2012 | |
| ELECTRICAL SYSTEM - STARTER ASSEMBLY | |||||
| SB-S-10-SS | 12/14/2010 | 10043405 | Blue bird bus: see document search button for owner letter. on certain model year bus, with cummins engine, the engine turbo heat may deform the positive starter cable boot. *pe | 03/27/2012 | |
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - COOLING SYSTEM | |||||
| SB-S-10-RX | 05/25/2010 | 10043404 | Blue bird bus: see document search button for owner letter. on some model year buses with rear engine, the support bracket may fail on the charge air cooler tube. *pe | 03/27/2012 | |
| SB-S0701 | 06/06/2007 | 10032764 | Blue bird bus: re-issue service update engine coolants. the cooling system on the buses be properly maintained and monitored to insure proper operation of your cooling system. *pe | 05/19/2010 | |
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - COOLING SYSTEM - FAN | |||||
| SB-S-70-LJ | 03/01/2007 | 10043209 | Blue bird: see document search button for owner letter. information on excessive cycling of engine cooling fan and shutter and how to install thermo switches for cooling system and charge air system. *pe | 03/02/2012 | |
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - COOLING SYSTEM - RADIATOR ASSEMBLY | |||||
| SB-S-70-LJ | 03/01/2007 | 10043209 | Blue bird: see document search button for owner letter. information on excessive cycling of engine cooling fan and shutter and how to install thermo switches for cooling system and charge air system. *pe | 03/02/2012 | |
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - ENGINE | |||||
| SB-S-10-SM | 09/28/2010 | 10043413 | Blue bird bus: see document search button for owner letter. on certain model year buses, over engine heater hose, near turbo, the reflective heat shield insulation may have been omitted. *pe | 03/27/2012 | |
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - ENGINE - DIESEL | |||||
| SB-S0701 | 06/06/2007 | 10032764 | Blue bird bus: re-issue service update engine coolants. the cooling system on the buses be properly maintained and monitored to insure proper operation of your cooling system. *pe | 05/19/2010 | |
| EQUIPMENT - ELECTRICAL - AIR CONDITIONER | |||||
| SB-S-10-SJ | 09/07/2010 | 10043415 | Blue bird bus: see document search button for owner letter. on some model year buses, an incorrect compressor oil type information may have been stamped on bitzer a/c compressor air conditioner data plate. *pe | 03/27/2012 | |
| SEATS | |||||
| SU-S-0706 | 08/08/2007 | 10043190 | Blue bird: information is being provided regarding maintenance for vehicles equipped with aluminum seat floor tracks. *pe | 02/29/2012 | |
| SEATS - BARRIERS | |||||
| SU-S-0706 | 08/08/2007 | 10043190 | Blue bird: information is being provided regarding maintenance for vehicles equipped with aluminum seat floor tracks. *pe | 02/29/2012 | |
| SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC | |||||
| SB-S-10-SB | 08/02/2010 | 10043414 | Blue bird bus: see document search button for owner letter. on certain model year buses, the wabco hydraulic brake modulator motor may corrode due to motor cover filling up with water. *pe | 03/27/2012 | |